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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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show number 34 for the 12th of june 2009

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richardsaunders here with you from

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sydney australia in this week's show we

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have a talk by australian skeptics

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founder and patron the adventurer

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Explorer and entrepreneur dick smith

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following that we have a reading from

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the latest issue of the skeptic magazine

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that's the skeptic magazine from

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Australian skeptics by Joanne benim ooh

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where she tells us more of her

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experiences at the mind-body-spirit or

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as we like to call it mind body wallet

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festival here in sydney now just before

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we start a quick word to thank catherine

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donelson for her recent graphical design

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work that really helped make our trip to

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melbourne such a success you can visit

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the website of Faster Pussycat

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productions at WWF PP design com au for

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furry faces and furry yes design work

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everything from CD packaging logos

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corporate design and much more Thank You

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Catherine you even made us look good so

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now on to our talk from Dick Smith this

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was recorded live at sydney skeptics in

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the pub using three microphones at three

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different times why who knows but the

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audio quality does change during the

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hello and gentlemen let's give to our

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guest speaker tonight Amanda needs no

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introduction but he's going to get one

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anyway Nick Smurf I'm showing their all

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for me with the name he is one of the

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founders of Australian skeptics and was

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sort of wondering if that was about

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nineteen seventy-nine or nineteen eighty

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bills it was there about because our

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accomplishments include a sir no

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helicopter flight around the world

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allowing these helicopter to the North

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Pole and the South Pole I believe an

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incredible adventure plus many other

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adventures like getting in a hot air

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balloon and flying from New Zealand to

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Australia and on and on it goes leak

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sealer tonight he's the patron of

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Australian skeptics were very pleased to

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have him along I know a lot of you

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people have come along to to hear what

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he has to say so without any more do I

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previously because i'm going to talk my

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the time of night or concern is not

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deluding and of course the other people

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here who Sumerians fantastic things you

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can drown computers would naturally

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understand that but someone at my

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vintage I was the grandson of harold cat

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to a photographer the 1930s and on his

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enlarger in the 1950s I used to stand

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behind him and he would be working on

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the enlarger to put in folk clouds and

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folk people on photographs that people

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thought were true that was back in the

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50s it's just another has been a skeptic

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I remember I came home from school from

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Scripture class when I was fired and

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instead to my mother the scripture

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teacher says that God is on everyone's

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shoulder and I think there are hundreds

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of people in the world that God be on

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every one shoulder I didn't know there

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were billions my mother was quite

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disturbed and she said look you've got

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to have faith I'll certainly have fun if

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other people don't doubt i'm quite happy

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that this ceiling is not going to fall

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in because when i came in you're all

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sitting here quite comfortable and

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relaxed so there's no one driving it but

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we've people brought something that

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always makes me think is this a truly

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going to talk a little bit about

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delusion because I've look at the human

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track we ourself to leave ourselves in

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some ways and even though we've got the

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best skeptics in Australia here I've bet

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somewhere inside your sake you've got a

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little self delusion it might be because

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you think like the only I want to

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achieve something in relation to

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aviation reform and I know it's a

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delusion I'll never get there and it's

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good to have that in about nineteen

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seventy five I was watching television

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the dementia I was a regular on the Don

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line show I was playing dick smith

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electronics going and they were

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desperate for people who create a bit of

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interest in publicity in those days

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either be a par value at a

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petrol-powered pogo stick I'm tired of

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my guys going into Sydney Harbour so I

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be falling down to the domain show and

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one matter was watching and you again

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bending spoons and I remember thinking

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they said he wasn't a magician not a

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magician so I watched it I fell for

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completely thinking well he's not a

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magician but there's obviously a very

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simple explanation for what he's doing

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what absolutely tremendously was the

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next day was one more people in those

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days you have them thrown around I found

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that that he simply was a magician but I

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was upset about that and I ran the

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producer at channel 9 random Evelyn said

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what are you doing he said I'll look

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anyone sensible know that he's a

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magician but it goes around the world

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say he isn't and at the same time I

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somehow heard in the pipe without a

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group called cycle the committee for

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scientific investigation of claims of

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the paranormal in the United States I

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immediately joined the battle at my

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background a really simple car radio

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installer I'm not an intellectual like

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most of the people here but I haven't

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that common sense and lateral thinking

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ability to know when someone makes a

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claim that there needs to be proof when

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someone makes an extraordinary claim

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there needs to be extraordinary proof

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and I became a member of psych happens

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read quite a bit about a farmers

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producing called chat James Randi at the

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time my friends were claiming that they

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could water divine and one of the easy

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things for water divine many claims of a

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power law are very hard to measure they

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water the binders between similar to

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start you can check it by drilling a

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hole to shoot this water because you'd

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be good if you can actually buy the

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place without water on top because

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there's water licensed radical we know

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that great the Great Artesian basin in

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the up digit basin the greatest water

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dividers in Australia come from across

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the area you know you have to go to

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Boston and saw amber working for you the

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despite read and only buy a new bike

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will see quite well before my policy

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change someday he was a skeptic in the

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early days most people couldn't believe

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it and I said look would you be

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interested we'll run a contest here for

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all the dividers and I could get james

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randi out from the united states because

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he's done some particular test switch to

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me were very simple what James Randi did

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was have 12 pipes are manifold with full

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plastic cup with water running in and

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you might say or how does that tell

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whether a person can find water in

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strata under the ground in fact what we

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were checking with the people who

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claimed that they could find water in

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plastic irrigation boat you're very most

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people claim they can follow an

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irrigation pipe we want James reamed out

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I remember we've got the Reverend teck

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nutz is one of the judges and that prize

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was about forty thousand dollars 10,000

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from herself ten thousand from the

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language of carbon ten thousands of film

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atoms and I forgot where the other team

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ran was wrong and in north ryde just

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near my cheeks and electronics I sweet

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bow upper field we put in the ten pipes

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we had water running through them in a

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simple manner pole where the water that

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one through one of the ten pipes now

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really arrived and first of all he got

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each one of the contestants we glue i

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think twenty of the top australian water

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desires and older by the small around

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australia the will she show Bob Dinneen

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and Randy made them sign an agreement

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which said that this test is one a happy

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with and they will offer no excuses if I

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because these people are totally genuine

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I've ever seen or any are these are

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people with their life depended on their

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abilities to water divine and some of

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them have engineering modifications so

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they were academically qualified people

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some were the typical farmer and I've

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never saying to Jack's ready to your ego

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is with this we're going to destroy

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these people in front of television in

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front of millions they say they can find

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some of water running in a pipe but play

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wants to run or at one point of time

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they say they can get ninety to a

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hundred percent Muslim x hundred Pacific

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we said we'd accept eighty percent and I

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said we're going to destroy them if they

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fail and he said Nick you will have no

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effect on me believe what time I said

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James you're wrong because you've ripped

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out but have to sign a document that

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they will not offer the excuse and this

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will prove they count them what they

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claim that ability doesn't mean i can't

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find water and stronger they train was i

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can find it in a wartime the amazing

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thing was we've got each divided to walk

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across the pipe with no water running in

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them but of the tender man is doing the

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water test to found streams underneath

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but the other i did and then we said the

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next thing is we're going to run the

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water click man fight when you have to

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show that you're Rob thing or your

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pendulum twist soja your place that we

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battle if you like some of artifacts

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that the dead avani and when we ran the

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water through the pipe that they knew it

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what which apartment was they've all got

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a hundred percent but it's quite

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impressive because they were all along

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the earth which is always bad the ten

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types it was my favorite part was and as

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they got to my heart attacks are they

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open the reading of the rods would then

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know that the pendulums were looser than

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you think you're watching you think well

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this has got to be truths I'm not doing

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it to technique from the total reward or

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whatever time works but we then went to

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double-blind testing and now when you

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the agent

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we do the whole thing and apparently

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they managed to get the course chances

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waiting 10 gentlewoman but actually got

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less than one in ten to actually improve

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when they were divided immediately could

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not find the other test was a very

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simple one we put a lot of gold we even

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had the security guards there from the

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Australian meet Allah God in one of 10

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shoe boxes are very easy test we sent to

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the goal dividers what's the chance of

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you finding which one which shoe box

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these 10 shoe boxes your life under gold

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with two thousand dollars or whatever

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gods and they train will overdo a

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hundred percent the gold of iron has

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managed to get once again weddington and

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interesting thing was at one stage one

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of the diviners dropped on the tiny bit

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of gold he was using to demonstrate and

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so suddenly we had Australia's top 20

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divine or dividing it and you know and

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at the end when the regula came and they

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technology independent judge it read out

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the answers that I got one in ten within

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minutes they were all rationalizing

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coming up with an explanation one of

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them was it doesn't work if they're a

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skeptical people pray that every reason

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you would think of it and reading was

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right because I don't want to destroy

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people's belief in themselves and these

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people different had a believe they

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could do it now randy said did organ is

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it's early emotive ideomotor creation

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idea matter actually where the brain

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thinks it's there and it's moving the

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rods subconsciously and did he give me a

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fantastic game show

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because the next day a reported honey I

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need to be ready and said look Brandi

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doesn't matter what you say I believe in

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dividing my dad yet I can do it sai

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reddy said I will just hold on dick can

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you get a speaker magna from the

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warehouse so we rushed down and we got a

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speaker magnetic and he said now I'm

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going to sit the speaker magnet I first

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of all he checked with the divining rods

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he got them reported to hold the

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dividing ones we said now I want you to

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walk past the speaker magnet and of

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course the rights get pulled over

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towards the speaker magnet and so then

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said now what we're going to do is put

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the speaking handed in this look at all

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the rocks which of you can send money to

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the table they simply report now what I

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want you to do is to go past this [\h__\h]

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man but use your muscles and everything

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to try and stop the rods from moving

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over towards the magnet under let me say

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this is ridiculous Randy we know it's

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not a bottle and rods it's just in theme

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of mine anyway said the reporter went

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backwards and forwards past the box and

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every time he couldn't stop the rods

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from going over to the box so after you

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did that three or four times venison are

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less interesting and lifted the cowboy

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box by suede of hand he'd removed the

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map for the name and wow that's proof

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because even though journalist said I

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can't believe it because he thought it

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was there the rods were moving and

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you'll find people who can find water so

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often I lived in a country town for

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years they know where the words like an

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immediate us are actually reading the

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strata and the way that Hills changing

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hood the ones who can follow the plastic

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irrigation piping are simply following

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where the farmer put it in if they know

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it starts and ends there a farmer

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normally has a logical way around the

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shed and following ears is root so from

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that's what they're following it but

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they don't believe it and when we finish

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this test with Australia 20 top diviners

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now we've succeeded but they all utterly

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convinced that they can do it that it

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had no effect on they believe and that

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to me was a really telling thing about

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the human condition

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the human psyche that some of us and

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maybe all of us will have some little

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self delusion of course here we all

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believe it ready is to say to me give

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everyone as I self-delusion other than

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you and me and any cooking inside

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sometimes are worried about you don't

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ever seen because a little about that

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time you started the Australian skeptics

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with Mark Plummer a solicitor from

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Melbourne Phillip Adams myself very

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quickly Barry Williams and lots of

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people came on side and done I'm very

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proud of what's happened here because I

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think it's very important if someone

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like Doris Stokes gyroscopes with a cold

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river that used to appear on the

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dementia if she turned up today the

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media wouldn't give a max time at all

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yeah that wee bit of fun but I don't

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think they would run it is a genuine but

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the person had paranormal powers of

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course it's worked against me as a

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public figure I remember when the

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Australian skeptics gave the late Peter

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brought the big spoon award remember

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Peter rocket designed this little box

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that sound with a car under the bonnet

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of your car and if energized something

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didn't have all the lines of a polarizer

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that's what it was well peter brock

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brainiacs and if you've got to stop the

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australian skeptics from presenting me

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with a big spoon would and I said Peter

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I said our mother mother's I won't have

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any cuz all 11 even taller now seeing

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isn't believing it's interesting because

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when i started australian geographic we

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ran an article on the tasmanian tiger

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and it was going to be a skeptical

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article many people believe the

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tasmanian tiger still exists because

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it's seen Tasmania so what I got my

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researchers to do I said I want you to

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do a map of Tasmania showing all the

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sightings well not only did they do that

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they said dick and they must have been

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150 members of the Tasmanian sightings

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everywhere but then they did a map of

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Australia with all the sightings on

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mainland Australia we have Tasmanian

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Tigers all across and it really talking

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some most of these sightings with people

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who've seen it and believed it because

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they think if you see it and it's

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is what it is your tea you can believe

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that's of course not true I remember a

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little bit after that I was searching

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for the cook of our aircraft in the

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tanner my desert the cougar bar was a

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small monoplane that had gone to search

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for kinships with in 1929 it was fourth

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down with two pilots lost their lives

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because the bodies were recovered and

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brought back the plane was met and it

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went missing for nearly 50 years 48

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years later the northern terminus of

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iowa's cross in the town of my desert

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and he was kissing one of these hunches

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and he looked and he saw a spoke wheel

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sticking out of a hitch abortion he

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raced over to it realized with a plane

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and looked around for bodies and when he

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finally got back to down he found that

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looked up the engine and that was the

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Lost kookaburra and so lots of hidden

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search for after 16 expeditions I

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organize an expedition from Australia

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from Sydney and I went up into the 10 of

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my Jessica staff of Darwin now I had a

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photo with me of the Kookaburra when it

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was found by the Northern Territory

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surveyor which was sort of a spoken

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little bit of a skeleton everything I'd

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seen that but I'm flying the one in the

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helicopter with a flying backwards and

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forwards and as we turn the chopper I

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saw the Google I saw the smoke with

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everything I did I said I say that we

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found it was flying around again wasn't

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there there was no sort of a bit of a

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stunt which wasn't really very like it

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at all so we went back to camp and I

436
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said what I just don't understand I saw

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it absolutely now luckily for me the

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next year later we found the book about

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miles away from that location but it

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shows you what the human brain can do so

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always remember seeing is not believing

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recently a friend of mine who does a lot

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of walking up the balloon mouth you said

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you saw what's it called these days that

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would happen here at the Muslim

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nope and fancy and when I said well I

447
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don't think you sorted said dick I saw

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through I said I wouldn't believe what I

449
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saw so I think that's very important now

450
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I'll tell you another with a wooden

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divining story the New Zealanders have

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heard that we're offering his money

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woods by then went after a hundred

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thousand dollars for anyone who can

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divide and so they did a major

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television program there and they sent

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to Australia New Zealand's top diviner

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and he could divine brass with a hundred

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percent accuracy and I said look don't

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send him until you do a check because he

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had out of me and air backer and I said

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get your cowboy shoe boxes and all the

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rest and the back is if I don't need to

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do that I know this bloke [\h__\h]

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anyway so he sent him over and to some

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reason the test was to take place of

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gospel with the gospel radio station and

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suddenly I realized I hope you get out

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the Russian so I jumped in the

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helicopter now realize I never had any

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money so I quickly said to my wife who

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you got you manage to several I've got

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the chip now they have [\h__\h] camp so I

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said quick so I run out of gin 400,000

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she said it's only a hundred sixty

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dollars in

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so I flew up to Boston veneers the radio

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station and there's but the man it's

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come from from New Zealand and so I get

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out the chair and I hand the chip to the

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radio station manager I said you are

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happier to be the judge and you're a

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hand the check out brands as laws and

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he's shaking to all I've did a hell so

485
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much money anyway the first we've been

486
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able to do we would have got the money

487
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but if the particular time is that he

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was with me well the person started

489
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first of all he'd brought with him a

490
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brass doorknocker and he'll demonstrated

491
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the fantasy he put the door lock her

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down and the rods he couldn't believe I

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mean you hard to believe that this

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involuntary muscle reaction that was

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doing it and he showed it everywhere so

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he said I'm now ready to do the test and

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so we got out the shoe boxes and I said

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why don't you use your piece of brass

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that you bought with you and he looked

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at he said you wouldn't let me de let us

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and of course i would if you can find

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that more than one in ten times in their

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shoe boxes well so first of all he then

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looked suspiciously around and he found

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a briefcase that he got moved away so

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once again we did the test where we said

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we'll mark the box and in this

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particular case we put it in number two

509
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he was talking so much he went up and

510
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down divine box number 3 and his wife

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said to hold on darling and keep what

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the box it was putting so even when we

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did the test where he put it in the

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laughs but the interesting thing is I've

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never yet found a fraud a fraud the

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person these people are absolutely

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genuine and don't be careful of that

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ticking yes will that I bit bonkers

519
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behind not because i believe it's part

520
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of our human condition we all have

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something let's hope people here who are

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in line a way where we can delude

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ourselves into believing or something so

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in this particular cut and by the other

525
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than leave this particular case he did

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the test and he got one in ten and that

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was of course the test a chance now

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since then we haven't spent a lot of

529
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time on water diviner because I must

530
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admit people are contacting me from time

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to time and it's it's just irritating to

532
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waste time when you know what the

533
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results going to be but from time to

534
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time it is a very simple way if someone

535
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says they can read the future or they

536
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are talking to someone who's dead it's a

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very hard to interpret of cold readers

538
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:21,880
are very good at their job but a simple

539
00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:23,890
water divided test is very simple to

540
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believe and of course it's shows quite

541
00:22:32,909 --> 00:22:30,399
clearly I think just skeptic about how

542
00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:32,919
human beings can delude themselves and

543
00:22:39,269 --> 00:22:36,700
even wen schauen quite clearly but they

544
00:22:42,299 --> 00:22:39,279
couldn't do what they said they can do

545
00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:42,309
many of them claimed I well I really

546
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:44,049
wasn't any good at divining investment

547
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:45,520
touch we said well why did you do that

548
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:49,570
test and interesting thing is that at

549
00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:51,450
one stage over about a 30 year period

550
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:53,980
Water Conservation Commission give a

551
00:23:00,210 --> 00:22:57,010
celibate still around where they shipped

552
00:23:02,730 --> 00:23:00,220
the number of group drills that will put

553
00:23:06,899 --> 00:23:02,740
down with dividing the number that words

554
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:06,909
and the divine Wells got around about a

555
00:23:12,530 --> 00:23:10,809
ninety four percent hit rate but a non

556
00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:12,540
divine Wells got a one

557
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:15,270
% head right but if you use the

558
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geologists to knew what it was of course

559
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:20,490
we've got to be careful because when I

560
00:23:25,550 --> 00:23:22,050
wanted to get some drilling down around

561
00:23:27,290 --> 00:23:25,560
fun my manager said I ran up the water

562
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drilling companies big waters and

563
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,020
they've got a diviner here goes but when

564
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I actually a mess with him and he

565
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:35,070
realized I was a skeptic he said I local

566
00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:37,110
said everyone believes in divining he

567
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,580
said so I come out and I walk around

568
00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:40,320
these for those logical places my

569
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experience then I get out the ones in

570
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one that's amazing how now I mention

571
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,710
seeing is believing I think another

572
00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:51,840
great example of this is that in the

573
00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:56,790
1930s an aircraft flying from Brisbane

574
00:24:02,660 --> 00:23:59,250
to Sydney when decisions the famous case

575
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:02,670
where the plane I won't mention where it

576
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:04,860
crashed at the moment but it was flying

577
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:07,250
in those days of anyone plan a day and

578
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:10,770
it was sighted all the way down the

579
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coast from Brisbane lismore but the two

580
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:16,800
best sightings were from a policeman and

581
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:20,010
a school teacher at gosford so they've

582
00:24:23,410 --> 00:24:21,510
searched around the hawkesbury river

583
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that the plane had landed on the ground

584
00:24:28,460 --> 00:24:25,740
searched and searched from wit and

585
00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:28,470
couldn't find anything after a week a

586
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,500
young man who called Bernadeau riley in

587
00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:33,840
the mclarssen Rangers just 70 miles

588
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:37,140
south of Brisbane just had a feeling and

589
00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:39,330
asked some of them that we saw the plane

590
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,040
fly over but it was really bad weather

591
00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:43,440
so he started working through the

592
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:46,470
rainforest and went for a house finally

593
00:24:49,910 --> 00:24:47,970
climbed up in a bit of a look at and

594
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:49,920
across the other side of the ravine you

595
00:24:57,020 --> 00:24:55,170
saw one dead tree and he tore all day to

596
00:24:58,670 --> 00:24:57,030
get to the dead tree as he got close to

597
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:58,680
it he's yelling out he then some voices

598
00:25:04,670 --> 00:25:02,460
and two people were alive I think by

599
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:04,680
then it was eight days the plane had

600
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:06,450
crashed three were allied wanted got to

601
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,960
get help if he died he was thinking

602
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,760
about that was the plane had never gone

603
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,500
further south before

604
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:15,960
Rangers but it was sighted all in the

605
00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:19,830
way by genuine people and as I mentioned

606
00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:22,350
seeing is not believing that what's

607
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:24,300
happened is their mind has said I would

608
00:25:28,670 --> 00:25:26,310
imagine let's send a plane fly over for

609
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:28,680
probably 12 months then when they hear

610
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:31,470
it's missing somehow the bright the mind

611
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:34,170
gives a flip and says I that sighting of

612
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:36,290
last week was actually yesterday and

613
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:38,880
that's what happened so you've got to be

614
00:26:05,120 --> 00:25:40,530
very skeptical about all of these things

615
00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:08,520
hi this is Morial boy boo from smarter

616
00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:10,840
than that calm and smart acts calm I

617
00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:12,580
don't know about you but I'm definitely

618
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coming to the amazing meeting this year

619
00:26:18,270 --> 00:26:16,600
and following last year's scientific

620
00:26:19,890 --> 00:26:18,280
success I would love to conduct a

621
00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:19,900
scientific experiment with Richard

622
00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:22,180
Saunders do you have any ideas of a

623
00:26:26,850 --> 00:26:24,340
scientific experiment we can conduct go

624
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:26,860
to smarter than that calm / contact and

625
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:28,930
share your idea with me Richard and I

626
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:30,310
will pick the best experiment and

627
00:26:34,410 --> 00:26:32,050
conducted on this year's time 7

628
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:34,420
personally I can't wait to see what your

629
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,370
deviously scientific minds come up with

630
00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:38,320
I'm sure Richard will be happy to do

631
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,980
anything you ask ok not anything almost

632
00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:44,320
anything ok ok maybe not almost anything

633
00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:46,270
either but you should still send your

634
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,820
ideas to me I'll read them I promise so

635
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:50,080
I'll see you at the amazing meeting

636
00:26:59,760 --> 00:26:57,010
seven Las Vegas 2009 the skeptic zone is

637
00:27:02,220 --> 00:26:59,770
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638
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:02,230
production costs not much but we do and

639
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:05,410
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640
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:07,450
you can send a little bit of money our

641
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:11,520
way by going to ww skeptic zone TV and

642
00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:14,710
pressing the paypal button we really do

643
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:24,160
appreciate it my name is Joanne been

644
00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:27,160
homo a few weeks ago myself and several

645
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:29,140
other skeptics went to the festival of

646
00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:31,330
mind body and spirit Sydney exhibition

647
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:34,900
center as a registered nurse it concerns

648
00:27:38,250 --> 00:27:36,310
me that many people are choosing to

649
00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:38,260
dabble in untested health treatments

650
00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:39,820
that have not been held up to scientific

651
00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:41,860
scrutiny and could potentially cause

652
00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:44,590
harm I was keen to see with the festival

653
00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:46,180
offered and whether it would live up to

654
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:47,800
its reputation within the skeptical

655
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:49,930
community as an arena for quackery

656
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:53,170
nonsense and magical potions perhaps it

657
00:28:01,320 --> 00:27:54,310
would turn out to be just a bit of

658
00:28:01,330 --> 00:28:05,490
Oh

659
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:08,850
in keeping with its name the festival of

660
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:11,350
mind body and spirit is nothing if not

661
00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:14,290
spirited upon entering the Sydney

662
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:16,180
Exhibition Centre I was met by the

663
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:18,700
jingle jangle of bells and air that

664
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,470
sparkled with the stray glitter of

665
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,440
passing fairy wings the hall was

666
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,360
positively abuzz with enthusiastic

667
00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:27,760
stallholders passing out fliers and

668
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,860
punters eagerly filling their

669
00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:31,840
complimentary carry bags of tonics

670
00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:34,660
crystals organic foods and promotional

671
00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:38,470
materials a huge queue had formed around

672
00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:41,020
the aura images stand we're having one's

673
00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:43,420
energy field photographed seemed to be

674
00:28:49,050 --> 00:28:46,900
the activity du jour as I watched the

675
00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:49,060
crowd lap up the rhetoric and jostle for

676
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:51,670
treatments too vague ailments or more

677
00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:54,640
accurately symptoms of life I began to

678
00:28:59,130 --> 00:28:56,620
wonder what a blight on human progress

679
00:29:02,220 --> 00:28:59,140
it will prove to be to have so many of

680
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,230
us waste our energies on products and

681
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:04,000
procedures that refuse to be held

682
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:05,830
accountable to all known laws of

683
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:09,340
chemistry physics and biology and which

684
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:12,190
unfortunately have great potential to do

685
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:15,850
harm my mind returned to the word harm

686
00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:19,270
frequently during the day as Tim Farley

687
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:22,120
superb website what's the harm net shows

688
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:25,930
us the harm is very real right now the

689
00:29:30,780 --> 00:29:27,930
world faces many difficult challenges

690
00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:30,790
some realized and some lurking on the

691
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:33,550
edge of our vision threatening but by no

692
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:36,490
means guaranteed the return of some of

693
00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:38,260
the most frightening infectious diseases

694
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:40,420
that we have suffered as well as the

695
00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:42,370
potential for a deadly flu pandemic

696
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:45,040
creates real challenges for both medical

697
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:47,830
researchers and clinicians and yet

698
00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:50,110
rather than seeking education through

699
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:52,540
vetted and verifiable sources or

700
00:29:57,810 --> 00:29:54,910
consulting medical experts with years of

701
00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:57,820
scientific training droves of people are

702
00:30:02,790 --> 00:29:59,610
throwing away their time and money on

703
00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:02,800
unsubstantiated mumbo jumbo that has not

704
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:05,380
been answerable to rigorous standards of

705
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:10,960
remaining unanswerable proved to be a

706
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:13,240
theme of the day as I came to see

707
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,650
despite the requirements set out by the

708
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:17,120
New South Wales Department of Health

709
00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:18,770
that the code of conduct for

710
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:21,080
unregistered health practitioners be

711
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,700
displayed in any place where they

712
00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:25,520
practice that document was noticeably

713
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:29,780
absent from every stall at a large stall

714
00:30:33,910 --> 00:30:31,850
offering holistic treatment for hundreds

715
00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:33,920
of conditions including cancer I

716
00:30:38,860 --> 00:30:36,620
witnessed an elderly lady being filmed

717
00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:38,870
by the stall holder as she hesitantly

718
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:40,820
pulled herself out of her wheelchair to

719
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:42,440
try the special footwear that he had

720
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,410
fitted her with sitting in a neat row on

721
00:30:50,770 --> 00:30:47,120
top of a table was a collection of

722
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:50,780
potions she walked a few steps and I

723
00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:52,370
couldn't shake the feeling that peter

724
00:30:59,530 --> 00:30:54,440
Popoff might leap out from behind the

725
00:31:01,420 --> 00:30:59,540
curtain yelling Jesus he hath healed dr.

726
00:31:03,790 --> 00:31:01,430
Rachel Dunlop one of my partners in

727
00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:03,800
investigation for the day ask the

728
00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:06,380
mustachioed man behind the camera if you

729
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,150
would be able to help her friend who had

730
00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:10,880
recently been diagnosed with cancer he

731
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,550
swiftly responded yes and with great

732
00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:15,760
flourish pointed to the row of bottles

733
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:18,350
assuring us that those exact bottles

734
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,680
were what her friend would need a

735
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:22,880
consultation and then a liquid diet

736
00:31:28,150 --> 00:31:25,820
would be required altogether incurring a

737
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:28,160
cost of twelve thousand dollars for one

738
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:31,670
year the results he declared the cancer

739
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:35,600
would go away a burgeoning new trend in

740
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,890
the world of complementary and

741
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:39,440
alternative medicine is the promotion of

742
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:42,980
so-called alkaline water this centers on

743
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:45,050
claims that the pH of the body is

744
00:31:50,110 --> 00:31:47,750
becoming increasingly acidic due to

745
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:50,120
exposure to environmental toxins and

746
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:53,510
poor lifestyle a large sign in front of

747
00:32:01,960 --> 00:31:57,410
one store invited passes by to ask how

748
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:01,970
water can cure incurable diseases we

749
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:03,590
press the stallholders for more

750
00:32:08,019 --> 00:32:05,450
information about how this worked and

751
00:32:10,639 --> 00:32:08,029
whether it could cure our friends cancer

752
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,649
they speedily backpedaled from their

753
00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:13,080
claims offering vague explanations about

754
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:14,750
it helping the immune system

755
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:17,700
neutralizing acid and detoxifying the

756
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:21,539
body their bizarre logic and aggressive

757
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:24,299
demeanor led us to quickly retreat but

758
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:26,370
not before one of them tapped Australian

759
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:28,289
skeptics Vice President Richard Saunders

760
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:30,419
on the shoulder and with the great

761
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,210
chuckle proffered that the aspartamay

762
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:35,279
aidan gum that Richard was chewing would

763
00:32:41,539 --> 00:32:38,730
soon give him brain cancer several

764
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:41,549
stalls offered live blood analysis the

765
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:43,710
pseudoscience claiming to diagnose

766
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:45,750
illness by analyzing a drop of blood

767
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:48,990
under a microscope after the diagnosis

768
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:51,000
punters are encouraged to buy the

769
00:32:56,509 --> 00:32:54,090
supplements on display we asked the

770
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,519
stallholder how it worked whether they

771
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,039
could use it for HIV or other viruses

772
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:01,919
like swine flu we were told that it

773
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:04,470
coats the cell creating a barrier so

774
00:33:09,139 --> 00:33:07,260
that nothing can get in when I inquired

775
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:09,149
about how things that need to get into

776
00:33:14,779 --> 00:33:12,539
the cell like oxygen can do so he looked

777
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:14,789
at me blankly and told me that the

778
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:18,360
barrier only lasted for one hour at the

779
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,370
end of the day standing at the doors of

780
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:22,860
the Sydney exhibition center I couldn't

781
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:26,250
help but wonder would such enthusiasm be

782
00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:28,289
on show for a festival grounded in real

783
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:31,350
science are we no longer interested in

784
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,049
scientific evidence and only able to

785
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:36,600
absorb vague ideas based on ethereal

786
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:39,659
notions of energy auras chakras and

787
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:43,110
harmony with nature what kind of harm

788
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:45,809
threatens humanity if we continue to

789
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:48,470
allow the celebration and indeed the

790
00:34:00,919 --> 00:33:51,450
commercialization of the unfounded cure

791
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:04,500
so that's why you can't eat her okay I

792
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:07,210
was just talking to the student till now

793
00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:08,200
look I'm supposed to tell you about

794
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:11,080
something the cosmic Tea Party a new

795
00:34:16,169 --> 00:34:14,800
science podcast podcast day who's it at

796
00:34:18,930 --> 00:34:16,179
any rate it's about science and

797
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:18,940
mathematics sounds rather dull oh hang

798
00:34:23,879 --> 00:34:22,270
on I open it and says here not down so

799
00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:23,889
there you have it the cosmic Tea Party

800
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:27,580
podcast WWE cosmic Tea Party or or

801
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:42,359
thank you for downloading the skeptic

802
00:34:48,299 --> 00:34:44,889
zone next week the full shows back with

803
00:34:50,819 --> 00:34:48,309
grain of salt dr. Reggie reports and a

804
00:34:52,829 --> 00:34:50,829
think tank until then this is Richard

805
00:34:59,250 --> 00:34:52,839
Saunders signing off from Sydney

806
00:35:01,559 --> 00:34:59,260
Australia see you at tam you've been

807
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:01,569
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